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| mntmn | need to test many ZZ9000s | 15:26 |
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| Jope | mm mm | 15:27 |
| Jope | mechanical hand jobs.. I mean manual labour | 15:27 |
| Jope | that teasing of smol laptop thing got me interested | 15:28 |
| mntmn | mhm | 15:29 |
| mntmn | the smol laptop | 15:29 |
| Jope | is it something that you're seriously pursuing? | 15:30 |
| Jope | the website sort of implied yes | 15:30 |
| mntmn | yes | 15:31 |
| mntmn | there is a second team working on this | 15:31 |
| mntmn | but more like on the conceptual and user exploration side | 15:31 |
| mntmn | i am throwing electronics over the fence | 15:31 |
| Jope | excellent. let's see | 15:38 |
| Jope | I have a long-ish history of pocketable data machines | 15:38 |
| Jope | currently have none, unfortunately. latest one was the gpd pocket | 15:39 |
| mntmn | i hope it'll all work out, my greatest concern is battery size/weight/runtime etc | 15:39 |
| Jope | yes | 15:39 |
| mntmn | what happened to the gpd | 15:39 |
| _Bnu | The GPIO... | 15:39 |
| Jope | it was just that tiny bit rough when used as a linux machine | 15:39 |
| Jope | things like "did it suspend? didn't it?" "is it charging? no? only at 500mA? why?" | 15:40 |
| mntmn | oh :3 | 15:40 |
| Jope | one person had their private kernel fork for it and then they just disappeared eventually and not everything was solved.. gpd came out with a gpd pocket 2 which apparently ran mainline kernel | 15:40 |
| Jope | but I didn't get the mk2 | 15:40 |
| mntmn | i see... gpd machines are more geared towards windows, or? | 15:41 |
| Jope | yes, they're very much a windows company | 15:41 |
| Jope | and the pocket 1 was actually an android tablet in disguise | 15:41 |
| Jope | you know that brief moment when intel ttried to do mobile devices with their atom | 15:41 |
| mntmn | ohh ok | 15:41 |
| _Bnu | IIRC there's a few newer GPx machines as well, but they're now geared toward Windows gaming on the go. | 15:41 |
| Jope | so this is why it wasn't so desktop linux friendly.. it had EFI and an x86 cpu but it was really a tablet :-) | 15:41 |
| Jope | the pocket 2 apparently was a laptop | 15:42 |
| mntmn | _Bnu: triple and quadruple A gaming | 15:43 |
| Jope | more As = better | 15:43 |
| mntmn | cyberpunk 2077 and a space heater in your pocketr | 15:43 |
| mntmn | -r | 15:43 |
| mntmn | Jope: interesting | 15:43 |
| Jope | had the OQO 01 | 15:43 |
| Jope | and 02 | 15:43 |
| Jope | both were lovely machines up to a certain point | 15:44 |
| Jope | loved the 01 mechanics, hated the 01's transmeta cpu. so slow | 15:44 |
| mntmn | transmeta :333 | 15:44 |
| mntmn | a cpu of many mysteries | 15:44 |
| Jope | the 02 wasn't as nice mechanically but it was a bit faster, not fast enough tho. just a bit ahead of their time | 15:44 |
| Jope | a very nice convergence device tho | 15:44 |
| Jope | jam it in the dock, plop everything was on a big screen + external input devices | 15:45 |
| Jope | take it out, plop, everything was still usable in desktop form but in a pocketable size | 15:45 |
| mntmn | plop | 15:45 |
| Jope | these days my convergence dream has shifted to something desktopy when docked and something thumb friendly mobile when mobile .. same apps but different ui / capabilities | 15:45 |
| mntmn | i see | 15:45 |
| Jope | I don't think anyone will do this | 15:45 |
| mntmn | we are doing an extremely low-tech approach | 15:45 |
| Jope | yes, that's what I gathered from the teaser | 15:46 |
| mntmn | Jope: i think phosh are trying to do what you want | 15:46 |
| Jope | please don't take my musings as expectations for your product | 15:46 |
| mntmn | (purism librem 5) | 15:46 |
| mntmn | i don't personally believe in convergence though | 15:46 |
| Jope | my expectations for the small reform are more like I want something that has a linux + display + connectivity so I can use it as a portable terminal | 15:46 |
| mntmn | but i'm possibly just a grumpy old man | 15:46 |
| Jope | you may be a realist | 15:47 |
| Jope | and I'm not 100% sure I'd converge if it happens. | 15:47 |
| mntmn | portable terminal is very much the goal yes | 15:47 |
| Jope | it might be total shit and I'd end up not using it :-D | 15:47 |
| mntmn | i have found that tiling WMs like sway are a very good fit for this formfactor | 15:47 |
| Jope | I've been toying around with the idea of making some kind of 3d print + raspi + a rat's nest of wires thing.. but ehhh | 15:47 |
| mntmn | and optimizing everything for keyboard-driven navigation. web is a problem though. | 15:47 |
| Jope | yeh.. web is painful with small computers like that | 15:48 |
| mntmn | Jope: a so called cyberdecke | 15:48 |
| Jope | yup | 15:48 |
| Jope | this is all that is necessary. :-D | 15:48 |
| Jope | some irc action via tethered 4g | 15:48 |
| mntmn | we might need to include some chromium or firefox plugin that lets you select / snap to links quickly without requiring precise mouse navigation to them | 15:48 |
| Jope | and then telnet to u64 to swap disks.. serial/ssh to a network switch for a quick reconfig.. | 15:49 |
| mntmn | yes, although my sketch motherboard has a socket for LTE modems | 15:49 |
| Jope | nie | 15:49 |
| Jope | ni ce | 15:49 |
| Jope | good to have options | 15:49 |
| Jope | sometimes you want to drain only one battery at a time ;-) | 15:49 |
| mntmn | yeah... so we can ship sort-of-a-but-not-really-a-phone | 15:49 |
| mntmn | without caring about regulations | 15:49 |
| mntmn | because you would bring your own modem | 15:49 |
| Jope | yeah | 15:49 |
| mntmn | there's also LTE-M (at least here) which is like a nice cheap low-bandwidth version of LTE | 15:50 |
| mntmn | it's enough for IRC and stuff | 15:50 |
| mntmn | it's meant for telematics | 15:50 |
| Jope | yeah | 15:50 |
| Jope | low bandwidth is probably ludicrously fast anyway | 15:51 |
| Jope | to me that's like 9600bps :-D | 15:51 |
| Jope | but lte-m is probably something else | 15:51 |
| Jope | 1M/1M at its shittiest .. I think we can manage a bit of internets banter over that | 15:51 |
| mntmn | hehe | 15:53 |
| Claude | mntmn: you got a lte-m sim ? | 15:59 |
| mntmn | Claude: yes, two | 15:59 |
| Claude | which provider ? | 16:00 |
| mntmn | Claude: 1nce | 16:00 |
| Claude | I have a lte-m modem , but no provider :) | 16:00 |
| mntmn | Claude: and one that came with the lte-m modem but i forgot the name | 16:00 |
| mntmn | Claude: 1nce is super easy! just fill out one form | 16:00 |
| Claude | oh that's new then ! | 16:00 |
| mntmn | i think its telekom | 16:00 |
| Claude | yes | 16:00 |
| mntmn | also i think LTE-M requires no ID | 16:00 |
| Claude | half a year ago I couldn't get a sim | 16:00 |
| mntmn | which is interesting | 16:00 |
| mntmn | like, a loophole | 16:00 |
| mntmn | i mean no personal id | 16:01 |
| mntmn | because it's meant for machines... | 16:01 |
| Claude | nice ... a bomb is a machine too ? | 16:01 |
| mntmn | it is... | 16:01 |
| Claude | :p | 16:01 |
| mntmn | bombastic machine | 16:01 |
| Claude | makes the ID enforcement of regular sims a bit mood | 16:02 |
| Claude | but n1ce , will look at 1nce again :) | 16:02 |
| Claude | IoT shit at Work .. | 16:03 |
| mntmn | yeah | 16:04 |
| Claude | uhh even esim | 16:05 |
| mntmn | i fucked up my a3000 mouse by trying to clean it >:| | 16:16 |
| Jope | nooo | 16:29 |
| _Bnu | Fix it!!! | 16:29 |
| _Bnu | It's okay, just grab a mouse from the box. | 16:29 |
| mntmn | ;/ | 16:30 |
| Jope | I'm such a heretic that I mainly use pc meeces with amigas | 16:30 |
| Jope | no more tank mouse loving | 16:30 |
| _Bnu | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/789807768554831902/859078520089083954/20210628_163054.jpg | 16:31 |
| mntmn | _Bnu: haha those | 16:32 |
| mntmn | _Bnu: the one i have trouble with is this one https://preview.redd.it/8z4wcka5z0p31.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=1b7eff3d2a362abd1fe07c1bb61ac5cddb650e52 | 16:33 |
| _Bnu | I got ten of them super cheap, I think I've given away two or three already, haha. | 16:33 |
| mntmn | something wrong with the rollers or so | 16:33 |
| _Bnu | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/789807768554831902/859079665166450698/20210628_163530.jpg | 16:36 |
| _Bnu | I also have three of them just here in my immediate messy vicinity, haha. | 16:36 |
| mntmn | _Bnu: just a crew of mice, chilling | 16:36 |
| _Bnu | One's attached to the A4000, one to the A500+ and one to the A2000... | 16:36 |
| _Bnu | I think there's one on the other end of the room as well, next to the CD32. | 16:37 |
| mntmn | time to launch the A5000... | 16:37 |
| Jope | _Bnu, wow, quite a find :-D | 16:37 |
| Jope | I have a couple of those too.. they're quite ok mice | 16:37 |
| _Bnu | Yeah, they're okay, but they work pretty badly without a mouse pad of some sort. | 16:38 |
| _Bnu | The top of the A4000 or the Reform tend to work really well for some reason. | 16:38 |
| Jope | :-) | 16:38 |
| Jope | wide mice seem to be like this | 16:38 |
| Jope | they like flat surfaces | 16:38 |
| _Bnu | Flat turtles... | 16:58 |
| mntmn | oh, new usb thingy https://www.a1k.org/forum/index.php?threads/79933/ | 17:25 |
| _Bnu | Pollen Karte... | 17:28 |
| mntmn | i'm thinking how to kick off the zz9000 sound expansion thing | 17:28 |
| mntmn | i might use WM8960 because i already have experience with it in Reform | 17:29 |
| _Bnu | As long as it can play at least 640 samples at the same time, like the Sound Blaster 640... | 17:29 |
| mntmn | kind of out of stonk though | 17:29 |
| _Bnu | ('A`) | 17:29 |
| mntmn | except at WIN SOURCE electronics | 17:30 |
| _Bnu | We Change The Price After You Order Electronics. | 17:30 |
| mntmn | > Lead-Time 30 Weeks | 17:30 |
| mntmn | lets go back to bed | 17:30 |
| mntmn | oh how strange, adafruit made a new board with this chip | 17:31 |
| _Bnu | But I only woke up 15 hours ago... | 17:31 |
| mntmn | https://www.adafruit.com/product/4757 | 17:31 |
| mntmn | wm8960 is probably quatsch for this as we don't need an amp | 17:34 |
| mntmn | except maybe a headphone amp | 17:34 |
| mntmn | does anyone connect a headphone to their amiga... | 17:34 |
| _Bnu | Sounds like crimes to me... | 17:42 |
| mntmn | > ultrasonic input signal paths | 17:43 |
| mntmn | > Beep generator | 17:56 |
| mntmn | audio codecs are extremely out of stock | 17:58 |
| _Bnu | Beep generator. :O | 18:08 |
| _Bnu | Perfect for Nibbles. | 18:08 |
| mntmn | cirrus/wolfson stuff pretty hopeless atm | 18:11 |
| mntmn | (no stock) | 18:11 |
| mntmn | TI looks ok still | 18:11 |
| mntmn | PCM3070 might be fun | 18:11 |
| _Bnu | Wolfenstein Sound Chip, WSC. | 18:12 |
| mntmn | wolfensohn | 18:13 |
| mntmn | how about a 1 GHz ARM-based audio codec https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/66ak2g12.pdf | 18:16 |
| mntmn | also includes 1 GHz VLIW DSP | 18:16 |
| mntmn | lol | 18:16 |
| mntmn | that's one of the most bizarre chips i've ever seen | 18:18 |
| mntmn | has PCIe and graphics | 18:18 |
| _Bnu | Hahah | 18:19 |
| mntmn | > – Serial Capture Unit (SCU), supporting direct | 18:20 |
| mntmn | connection, 16-bit parallel capture | 18:20 |
| mntmn | sounds like something that could be almost directly connected to old buses | 18:20 |
| mntmn | > Up to 36-Bit DDR External Memory Interface | 18:21 |
| mntmn | > Up to 8 stereo streams (16 audio channels) | 18:21 |
| mntmn | this is total madness | 18:21 |
| mntmn | PCM3070 is cool, but unfortunately the instruction set for the 2x miniDSP is secret :/ can be programmed only with TI PurePath studio | 18:35 |
| _Bnu | I am sure it is very cheap... | 18:36 |
| _Bnu | $20 for a five minute license. | 18:37 |
| mntmn | yeah | 18:38 |
| mntmn | no idea actually | 18:38 |
| mntmn | there is a REQUEST button https://www.ti.com/tool/AICPUREPATH_STUDIO | 18:39 |
| _Bnu | Oh, like that Xilinx GPU core, hahah. | 18:39 |
| mntmn | le sadness | 18:39 |
| mntmn | maybe better to use the ZYNQ as a dsp then >:| | 18:40 |
| mntmn | i thought it would have been fun to play around with audio FX | 18:40 |
| mntmn | but TI management are dumbdumbs | 18:40 |
| mntmn | analog's stuff can just be downloaded at least https://www.analog.com/en/design-center/evaluation-hardware-and-software/software/ss_sigst_02.html#software-overview | 18:45 |
| _Bnu | Haha. I like Analog Devices, because they have so many fancy ADCs with unintended functionality. | 18:47 |
| mntmn | oh nice https://freedsp.github.io/ | 18:47 |
| mntmn | _Bnu: they have? | 18:47 |
| _Bnu | Yeah. If you look at the Datapath card, all the analog and digital video input is handled by the AD chips and then processed for capture output by the Cyclone II FPGAs. ÖD | 18:49 |
| _Bnu | Also :D | 18:49 |
| _Bnu | ÖÖÖÖÖÖ | 18:49 |
| mntmn | ah funky | 18:50 |
| _Bnu | Swedish keyboard layout always trips me up. | 18:50 |
| mntmn | cool, even lcsc still has ADAU1701 | 18:51 |
| mntmn | a good candidate | 18:51 |
| _Bnu | Angry Direct Audio Uncle 1701... | 18:55 |
| mntmn | lol | 18:56 |
| mntmn | now i just need to know how to write an AHI driver... | 19:18 |
| _Bnu | Tell me if you figure out how to make an AHI prefs file that doesnät immediately crash AHI's settings application... | 19:19 |
| _Bnu | ääää | 19:19 |
| _Bnu | I wish I could help you out, but I got hardcore stuck with the AHI driver I started working on for the PiStorm because I couldn't get it to enumerate any AHI prefs modes. :D | 19:20 |
| mntmn | ÄHI | 19:20 |
| mntmn | oop | 19:20 |
| _Bnu | But you can use the uhhh... the thing... | 19:20 |
| mntmn | the thing?? | 19:20 |
| _Bnu | The device driver framework thing I made for PiSCSI. | 19:20 |
| _Bnu | That way you don't need to have a bunch of assembler files for ROMtags, and no weird bebbo-gcc compiler switches that destroy the binary you build. :D | 19:21 |
| _Bnu | For the prefsfile though, as far as I could tell it was assembler only. | 19:24 |
| mntmn | ah yeah, that sounds good | 19:35 |
| apolkosnik[m] | Asking for a friend, what's the limiting factor at 1920x1080 as in why ZZ9000 can only do 16 bit? | 23:41 |
| apolkosnik[m] | Very excited about the audio stuff | 23:41 |
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