| + reformer (~reformer@softboy.mntmn.com) | 00:11 | |
| mntmn | reformer: test | 00:12 |
|---|---|---|
| _Bnu | Is reformer trying to kill us... | 00:15 |
| mntmn | https://mntre.com/amiga-irc-logs | 00:16 |
| mntmn | in case you need to look something up later... | 00:17 |
| + BluRaf (bluraf@junkcc.net) | 00:35 | |
| + truck (truck@77.246.204.69) | 00:35 | |
| truck | I was very, very, very "oh god I do NOT want to lose another channel to discord and matrix sucks | 00:36 |
| mntmn | truck: no worries, we're in the same boat there ;) | 00:36 |
| mntmn | you can pry IRC from my cold dead hands | 00:37 |
| truck | I'm all "I CANNOT afford to replace freenode right now" | 00:37 |
| truck | anyway joining the other channel | 00:37 |
| norly | truck, mntmn: there's also #pistorm - let's fill that channel up | 00:39 |
| mntmn | ok neat | 00:39 |
| + TadeusTaD (tadeustad@psifactor.pl) | 00:45 | |
| truck | oh hell yes | 00:48 |
| norly | this channel has filled up nicely already, good job | 01:07 |
| truck | and I'm basically off of all my freenode things. | 01:18 |
| + reformer0 (~reformer@softboy.mntmn.com) | 01:51 | |
| - reformer (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~reformer@softboy.mntmn.com) | 01:55 | |
| + CottonUndies (~admin@ae069093.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) | 02:05 | |
| + emiliano (uid500588@id-500588.tinside.irccloud.com) | 02:22 | |
| * emiliano -> emiespo | 02:23 | |
| _Bnu | ACTION begins to rotate and draw balls | 02:30 |
| Jope | ACTION revolves with a satisfying granite sound | 06:53 |
| Jope | I must say, that was a surprisingly smooth change of network :-D | 06:54 |
| Jope | people just hopped over | 06:54 |
| + reformer (~reformer@softboy.mntmn.com) | 08:13 | |
| + truck (truck@77.246.204.69) | 08:15 | |
| + reformer (~reformer@softboy.mntmn.com) | 08:21 | |
| + Jope_ (jope@galia.arabuusimiehet.com) | 09:12 | |
| - Jope (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (jope@galia.arabuusimiehet.com) | 09:12 | |
| _Bnu | Ich bin Small Snake. | 11:14 |
| * Jope_ -> Jope | 12:33 | |
| Jope | eine kleine schlange | 12:35 |
| Jope | thought it was schnecke but that's no snake | 12:35 |
| CottonUndies | For some reason I count get ZNC to work with both free node and libera, so for now I have lost PiStorm IrcBridge, but will try again later to add... | 12:43 |
| CottonUndies | "I could not" | 12:43 |
| _Bnu | CottonUndies: You can connect via plaintext on port 6667, if TLS/SSH doesn't work with your ZNC setup. | 12:49 |
| _Bnu | I had to bash around mine a bit for it to actually resolve the server name, but then it worked. | 12:49 |
| mntmn | schnecke is a snail | 12:51 |
| mntmn | gumo! (guten morgen) | 12:51 |
| mntmn | oops it's afternoon | 12:51 |
| mntmn | ah, plaintext is possible here _Bnu? so AmIRC can connect yeah? | 12:51 |
| Jope | it can yes :-) | 12:58 |
| Jope | if libera lets new clients in that is | 12:58 |
| Jope | seems a bit exciting that way sometimes | 12:58 |
| mntmn | :3 | 12:59 |
| + S0rin (~shaman@ns3078682.ip-217-182-133.eu) | 13:03 | |
| truck | jope: yes, discussions about how this transition took place simply, easily, and... well, my brain is now equating it with the Swedish change of the side of the road with automobiles | 13:15 |
| truck | "ok, now we're on the other side. all is the same." | 13:16 |
| + Jope600 (~Jope@194.100.106.190) | 13:18 | |
| Jope600 | ooh, it works | 13:18 |
| forcie | i find it kind of impressive that so many people gave freenode the finger so quickly :) | 13:19 |
| forcie | i am using plaintext on port 6667 - but they only advertised TLS on their main website | 13:20 |
| forcie | i guess the kind of people who still use irc are also a bit conscious about what is going on with it | 13:21 |
| - Jope600 (QUIT: Client Quit) (~Jope@194.100.106.190) | 13:22 | |
| _Bnu | I have a feeling many of the channels on Freenode were like open source or other projects where the IRC channel has been mostly abandoned, like for instance #obsproject used to be on there. | 13:22 |
| _Bnu | But once they moved their primary chat to Discord, the entire place pretty much died. | 13:23 |
| Jope | yep, irc channels die the moment the main discussion is moved to a different service | 13:24 |
| Jope | I am on a few where the irc and different sides are alive simultaneously. no bridges. | 13:24 |
| Jope | but I find myself chatting on the different side for most of those | 13:24 |
| + isoriano (~isoriano@5.147.188.96) | 13:38 | |
| - CottonUndies (PART: Leaving) (~CottonUnd@ae069093.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) | 14:36 | |
| + CottonUndies (~CottonUnd@ae069093.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) | 14:38 | |
| + spivvy (575f3238@unknownnetwork-a.clients.kiwiirc.com) | 14:48 | |
| spivvy | found here | 14:48 |
| isoriano | Good afternoon. | 14:50 |
| mntmn | yo! | 15:04 |
| spivvy | mntmn you got my screenshot? | 15:10 |
| mntmn | huh? | 15:11 |
| mntmn | screenshot? | 15:11 |
| spivvy | I have this weird issue with native interlace modes | 15:12 |
| spivvy | see http://www.deadcoderssociety.org/pics/interlace.jpg | 15:13 |
| spivvy | happens every now and then | 15:13 |
| spivvy | This is P96 v3.x.y (first v3 series) and 1.8 boot.bin | 15:17 |
| mntmn | spivvy: oh, looks like interlace is not correctly recognized / vertical scaler is not activated | 15:17 |
| spivvy | possible cause? | 15:22 |
| mntmn | not the expected number of lines? hard to say, i would need a recipe to reproduce it | 15:46 |
| mntmn | custom videomode? | 15:46 |
| Jope | I've seen this on occasion too | 15:47 |
| Jope | unfortunately I haven't been able to reproduce reliably | 15:48 |
| Jope | somehow related to switching between rtg / laced custom chip screen | 15:48 |
| Jope | hmm | 15:48 |
| norly | mntmn, is there a way to use 2 vouchers in your online shop? i sent you an email about that, but maybe that got lost in your spam filter or something? | 15:51 |
| mntmn | norly: sorry for ignoring that. i think it's a bug in the shop. i could maybe delete those vouchers and replace them with a bigger one, let me see | 15:54 |
| mntmn | meh i cannot delete codes | 15:55 |
| mntmn | maybe via the console | 15:55 |
| norly | mntmn, no rush, thanks a lot! | 15:55 |
| mntmn | running this shop is really as lot of work. | 15:55 |
| mntmn | a lot | 15:55 |
| norly | i just wanted to ask before they expire. if you're fine accepting them later on, then there's no rush :) | 15:56 |
| mntmn | norly: i'll get back to you on this later ok? | 15:56 |
| norly | mntmn, thanks :) | 15:56 |
| _Bnu | Yeah, it seems to happen on some computers, where they don't realize that the modes have been switched for some reason. It's kind of the bane of my current WIP firmware with the panning stuff, hahah. | 16:09 |
| _Bnu | Because it works fine on my A4000, but randomly breaks for other people when it shouldn't be possible. | 16:10 |
| truck | spivvy: ltns | 16:12 |
| mntmn | mmmm panning, i still need to catch up on that | 16:15 |
| spivvy | _Bnu this is of cos a3000 | 16:33 |
| spivvy | truck: \o/ | 16:33 |
| _Bnu | I thought it was a Mac Mini... | 16:41 |
| spivvy | nah.. a3000, zz9000, 1.8 boot.bin and p96 v3' | 16:45 |
| spivvy | mac mini for morphos ;) | 16:46 |
| _Bnu | We'll have to format the cloud. | 16:58 |
| norly | _Bnu, go go go! | 16:59 |
| forcie | better make it fluffy | 16:59 |
| - xenial-user (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~puppy@213.237.94.134) | 18:09 | |
| + js- (~b2c5e111@ircip2.mibbit.com) | 18:16 | |
| js- | norly told me I should write here :) | 18:16 |
| js- | and explain what issues I had with libera | 18:16 |
| js- | it seems they call themselves a migration, but policy wisse, absolutely failed | 18:16 |
| js- | they allowed domain squatters, and people are taking nicknames from people on freenode | 18:16 |
| js- | stuff just says "sorry, first come first serve" | 18:16 |
| js- | so, I can't be me here | 18:16 |
| norly | just to confirm, this is the same guy who just described this story to me as "js" on freenode | 18:17 |
| js- | combined with spam problems that seem to be worse on Freenode, I think migrating to libera is not a good path, and OFTC might be better | 18:17 |
| js- | *worse than on Freenode | 18:17 |
| js- | s/domain squatters/name squatters/ of course :D | 18:17 |
| js- | it seems very chaotic from the start, and I'm concerned where this is going if things that cannot be undone like name / channel stealing are allowed from the start | 18:18 |
| _Bnu | Maybe you should blame the person who took Freenode out of control of the people who were running it? I mean I don't get it. | 18:18 |
| js- | especially given that it would have been trivial to e.g. just say "pick any nick, but if the owner of the nick on freenode complains, you have to give it up". | 18:18 |
| _Bnu | Any IRC network you go to that is not your own, you're not going to have control over. | 18:18 |
| js- | but there is no willingness to do so | 18:18 |
| js- | just "we're a migration from freenode, but we are doing absolutely nothing to be a proper migration" | 18:19 |
| js- | aaanyway, just coming here to say that. I am *not* going to be not js here after almost 2 decades of being js on every big IRC network. | 18:19 |
| js- | the most worrying part is that I'm sure that plenty of people here will assume "js | 18:20 |
| js- | " on here is me | 18:20 |
| _Bnu | Have you tried messaging the js that is not you and ask them if you can have your nickname back? | 18:20 |
| forcie | i bet he will reply with a paypal link | 18:24 |
| norly | lol | 18:25 |
| js- | _Bnu: I have, but that doesn't change my lack of confidence in how libera runs things | 18:27 |
| js- | (also no response yet) | 18:27 |
| js- | I mean, it's chaotic from the start, and they make unfixable mistakes (allowing name squatting) from the start, meaning they are in a starting position from where it's hard to get to anything good ever | 18:27 |
| js- | if they wouldn't call themselves a migration, it wouldn't be all that bad. but they claim to be the natural successor and migration, and do absolutely nothing for it. they just claim to be it in order to grow. | 18:28 |
| js- | OFTC OTOH has been running smoothly since forever, didn't have any of the issues freenode had, etc., while libera seems to have all the same issues as freenode, but worse. | 18:29 |
| norly | js-, maybe there was never a problem with freenode to begin with, and the libera.chat guys stirred up a storm and made people migrate for no real reason | 18:29 |
| norly | either way, i'm not in a position to judge | 18:30 |
| js- | norly: it more and more seems like the libera people just like drama, yes. Also given how chaotic and with a lack of attention to detail libera was started, this seems exceedingly like an attemption to start a shitstorm to get attention to libera. | 18:31 |
| js- | also IMO, migrating from Freenode -> Libera fixes nothing. You migrate from one centrally managed place to another, rather than to a decentral place. | 18:32 |
| norly | js-, now that's a very fair point | 18:35 |
| js- | I know people are tired of me saying that, but Matrix fixes that ;) | 18:36 |
| _Bnu | Yes, it also fixes the problem of being able to use it on too many platforms. | 18:38 |
| _Bnu | I mean how's that decentralized though? You're running the home server for it, aren't you. Someone's always running it. | 18:38 |
| _Bnu | The only difference is that you will be in control. | 18:38 |
| _Bnu | Which is fair, I can understand wanting that. | 18:38 |
| js- | _Bnu: You can use it on any platform, and via any protocol you like. Like IRC? Join a matrix room via IRC. Like Telegram? Sure, use that. Discord is your thing? No problem. | 18:39 |
| js- | _Bnu: A room doesn't live on a single server, and not a single server can e.g. close it | 18:39 |
| _Bnu | Great okay, let's move. | 18:39 |
| _Bnu | Set it all up and tell me how to connect and do everything. | 18:39 |
| _Bnu | Thanks. | 18:40 |
| js- | can do :) | 18:40 |
| js- | what protocols do you want available? IRC, Telegram, Discord enough for a start? Or also want Gitter, Slack? | 18:40 |
| norly | js-, be sure to call it libera.matrix for giggles | 18:40 |
| norly | js-, please don't encourage closed platforms :( | 18:41 |
| norly | IRC is fine i think, maybe a telegram bridge because... people | 18:41 |
| norly | discord and slack can stay away. | 18:41 |
| mntmn | js-: we are here, it works, end of discussion for me | 18:43 |
| _Bnu | I would never use yet another webshit client just to connect to one more IRC channel. | 18:43 |
| js- | norly: Well, I thought the same, but the fun thing is, these people join Matrix rooms via their proprietary BS and then actually eventually notice that many rooms they use are available on Matrix and migrate there ;). I've seen many people join a Discord that was also on Matrix and then migrating to Matrix | 18:43 |
| js- | mntmn: k, then unfortunately this is yet another project I need to drop, since I don't want to support this chaotic move from libera | 18:44 |
| js- | this was really done in the worst possible way. invest all time to stir drama instead of getting the network set up properly, have everything as chaotic as possible, etc. | 18:44 |
| mntmn | js-: ok, see you around then | 18:45 |
| _Bnu | Bye! | 18:45 |
| norly | js-, interesting, i'll make a mental note that there is hope in people. thanks :) | 18:45 |
| js- | norly: the problem is reaching critical mass ;). and by allowing people to join via whatever means they prefer helps to get that. | 18:46 |
| js- | 99.99% of all people do not care about the underlying protocol, the company controlling it, etc. They care where the people they want to talk to are. | 18:46 |
| norly | well, the classic point made is that it may create critical mass in something else, such as discord | 18:47 |
| js- | I haven't seen a single person signing up for Discord because they wanted to join a Matrix room ;) | 18:48 |
| mntmn | luckily we are not the 99.9% | 18:48 |
| js- | but I have seen plenty of people move away from Discord once a larg-ish server bridged to Matrix | 18:48 |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 272 seconds) (~shaman@ns3078682.ip-217-182-133.eu) | 18:49 | |
| js- | anyway, this discussion is OT, feel free to ping me on freenode norly :) I'll leave here, this place that fucks up policy from the start so that I cannot even be me and people talk to someone else and think it's me | 18:49 |
| - js- (PART: !!unknown attribute: msg!!) (~b2c5e111@ircip2.mibbit.com) | 18:50 | |
| mntmn | i am ~this~ close to turning on my amiga again... | 18:53 |
| _Bnu | I would turn on my A4000, if it didn't mean that the hard drive would maybe die forever when it stops this time around... | 18:54 |
| mntmn | poor 4000s | 18:55 |
| _Bnu | ACTION continues to format the cloud | 19:11 |
| + S0rin (~shaman@ns3078682.ip-217-182-133.eu) | 19:14 | |
| _Bnu | At least I have hamburgers. :( | 19:20 |
| + Claude (sid304814@id-304814.tooting.irccloud.com) | 19:44 | |
| Claude | 'ello | 19:44 |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 2.3) (~shaman@ns3078682.ip-217-182-133.eu) | 19:48 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@ns3078682.ip-217-182-133.eu) | 19:49 | |
| mntmn | uo Claude | 20:08 |
| mntmn | "yo" i mean | 20:08 |
| _Bnu | Uoooohhhh! | 20:09 |
| _Bnu | ACTION powers up | 20:09 |
| mntmn | :0 | 20:15 |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 2.3) (~S0rin@ns3078682.ip-217-182-133.eu) | 20:19 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@ns3078682.ip-217-182-133.eu) | 20:19 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 2.3) (~S0rin@ns3078682.ip-217-182-133.eu) | 20:26 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@ns3078682.ip-217-182-133.eu) | 20:26 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 2.3) (~S0rin@ns3078682.ip-217-182-133.eu) | 20:32 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@ns3078682.ip-217-182-133.eu) | 20:32 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Client Quit) (~S0rin@ns3078682.ip-217-182-133.eu) | 20:34 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@ns3078682.ip-217-182-133.eu) | 20:34 | |
| isoriano | Claude should rename to Mr Pistorm :-) | 21:28 |
| isoriano | Looks like you and well the bnu-gcc have started a gane changer :-) | 21:29 |
| _Bnu | At this point, you could almost believe that it had something to do with the Max II CPLD shortage. | 21:34 |
| - CottonUndies (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~CottonUnd@ae069093.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) | 21:36 | |
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